so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".
he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?
jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?
Haven't seen the propaganda movie, but from the description I think one thing is very clear:
Who is doing the contaminating in the illustration?
So who causes people to become 'apostates', or who causes people to sin against the HS?
Must be the GB and it's helper minions...:-D
the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".
richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.
the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .
@Fisherman,
And every time I am simply amazed, stunned, flabbergasted that people who do not accept evolution "because it cannot be proven" readily accept the existence of a God and the truth of ancient stories for which no evidence has ever been produced.
Someone who rejects evolution for supposed lack of evidence (which is really just lack of knowledge of that claimer's side) should be honest enough to rejects all gods, miracles and ancient stories for even worse lack of evidence.
while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.
jehovah created the universe.
destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .
@mephis,
Thanks for the link about the Canaanite religions. Very interesting read.
Especially the part about Canaanite gods of war requiring human sacrifices...you know just like Jahweh demanding all citizens of enemy cities be put to death since they belonged to him (=human sacrifice) :-(
yes - awake!
1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).
"in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.
Too lazy to do some calculations now, but my guess is that JW killed more JW with the blood ban than the Nazi's did in WW2.
And that totally makes sense: Jehovah killed more of his own people than Satan ever did. So JW really are trying to be like Jehovah.... :-(
the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".
richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.
the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .
@oisif,
May I suggest the following reading material for your benefit?
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve
http://www.sciencemeetsreligion.org/evolution/scientists-evolution.php
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution
Yes, a very small % of all scientists rejects evolution in favor of one of the many creation myths. Yes, some of them even have a degree in a field slightly related to genetics, evolutionary biology or geology.
Yet none of them ever produced a decent peer-reviewed scientific paper where they show evidence that their creation myth is true.
i have former jws looking at jwfacts.com in order to update themselves with what is happening with the religion, so that they can better understand their jw family.
it thought it would help if there was a page devoted to what has changed since 2000. .
2012 oct release of jw.org - jws encouraged to download their own publications and use ipads at meetings and field service.
Even when looking at the yearbook 2016, p25 (in my language ;-) ) they have this list:
What are some of our beliefs that have been clarified in recent years?
2012 | |
|---|---|
“All these kingdoms”—Dan. 2:44 | |
Mordecai and Esther “divide spoil”—Gen. 49:27 | |
Ruin caused by “fierce-looking king”—Dan. 8:23, 24 | |
Toes of image in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream—Dan. 2:41-43 | |
When the seventh world power emerged | |
2013 | |
“Faithful and discreet slave”—Matt. 24:45-47 | |
“Evil slave”—Matt. 24:48-51 | |
Anointed not to survive Armageddon on earth | |
‘Assyrian invades our land’—Mic. 5:5 | |
Chosen ones gathered—Matt. 24:31; Mark 13:27 | |
Great tribulation | |
Illustration of the wheat and the weeds—Matt. 13:24-30 | |
Jesus comes, arrives—Matt. chaps. 24 and 25 | |
Jesus inspects spiritual temple 1914-1919—Mal. 3:1-4 | |
Meaning of name Jehovah | |
2014 | |
Appointment of elders and ministerial servants | |
Basis first-century Jews had for being “in expectation” of the Messiah—Luke 3:15 | |
Duration of cleansing of spiritual temple—Mal. 3:1-4 | |
Marriage in the resurrection—Luke 20:34-36 | |
“Solid foundation of God”—2 Tim. 2:19 | |
Two witnesses—Rev. chap. 11 | |
2015 | |
Gog of Magog—Ezek. chaps. 38 and 39 | |
Head covering for sister conducting a Bible study | |
Illustration of the talents—Matt. 25:14-30 | |
Illustration of the ten virgins—Matt. 25:1-13 | |
Types and antitypes | |
while thinking about the nature of god, i suddenly thought of something else: how jw speak about god in relation to the universe.. they say that.
jehovah created the universe.
destroying satan and answering the questions that were raised in eden will restore peace and unity in the whole universe.. .
@WannabeHammer ;-)
Yes I know. A real, specific, non-physical, spiritual place called the heavens.
upon researching the historical activity of the wts.
it becomes clear that the head editorial writers of this religious publishing house propagated many formative lies or unproven speculations framed within its own bible theological interpretations.. .
going right back to its earliest inception the head writers of the wts proclaimed that christ has returned and that mankind was going occur a dramatic change through this returning establishment of christ, as prophetically told though bible scripture.. the first year devised by the wts of this return was 1874 and through means of using an obscure measurement of the great pyramid of giza 1914 was to be the year of armageddon.. the 6000 years of mankind's existence was used at that time as well ( early 1900's) to support this supposed code cracking, which was used once again in the late 1960's to create 1975 as another year of significance.
It just dawned on me...I always thought it's a bit strange that some MLM companies (like ACN) display (cultish) behaviour similar to JW.borg....
Makes sense...basically the Borg is a MLM company...but one where everyone pays, never gets any reward, and they demand more of your time.
Man I wish my parents had brought me up in a decent MLM company....could have been rich and retired by now :-p
http://committingsociology.com/2016/01/15/transcending-religious-ideas-is-easy-transcending-religious-thinking-is-hard/.
why god won’t go away.
january 15, 2016 john faithful hamer .
Nice read.
It's good for all of us to be aware of our inner Jehovah's Witness and get rid of it...
my conclusion is, i hope this site is :-.
a) first about solving practical problems of people leaving the w.t,.
b) secondly about if god exists or not.. so what have i learnt since reading my first posts from 6 months ago?.
Best thing about being out is having real freedom of thought and speech.
Since forever I am very curious about everything (those who know me personally also know I will check facts about the weirdest things during a conversation), but some topics were off limits.... Now they are not.
I love it that I can discuss any topic with people who either think the same or something else as I do.
Some know a lot more or a lot less on certain topics.
And I drink it all in to expand my knowledge.
I strongly believe that understanding what other people believe and know if beneficial for me and my relations with others.
And in the process I notice I am losing my inner Witness who knows he has The Truth...I become more humble and open to multiple interpretations.
I don't need to be right anymore...(as long as I'm not wrong ;-) )
